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		<title>By: Barna blogol &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kétségeim php framework ügyben</title>
		<link>http://www.paulrouke.co.uk/2008/07/10/php-framework-comparison-symfony/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Barna blogol &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kétségeim php framework ügyben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.paulrouke.co.uk/2008/07/10/php-framework-comparison-symfony/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Symfony is about using the best breed of tools/libraries out there. For example, Symfony does not invent its own ORM, it uses Propel and Doctrine. It uses PEAR for plugins packaging and distribution. It uses Phing for command line stuffs.

I can see that in the future there&#039;ll be more and more Zend classes being integrated into Symfony. One example is Zend&#039;s Lucene being made available as Symfony plugin: http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/sfLucenePlugin

In regards to Symfony 1.1, it&#039;s about separating web form as its own separate library that can be used outside Symfony (e.g.: decoupling). The decision was a big gamble, but I think now at Symfony 1.2, it pays off.

sfForm (the resulting form library) is OOP way to do web form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Symfony is about using the best breed of tools/libraries out there. For example, Symfony does not invent its own ORM, it uses Propel and Doctrine. It uses PEAR for plugins packaging and distribution. It uses Phing for command line stuffs.</p>
<p>I can see that in the future there&#8217;ll be more and more Zend classes being integrated into Symfony. One example is Zend&#8217;s Lucene being made available as Symfony plugin: <a href="http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/sfLucenePlugin" rel="nofollow">http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/sfLucenePlugin</a></p>
<p>In regards to Symfony 1.1, it&#8217;s about separating web form as its own separate library that can be used outside Symfony (e.g.: decoupling). The decision was a big gamble, but I think now at Symfony 1.2, it pays off.</p>
<p>sfForm (the resulting form library) is OOP way to do web form.</p>
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		<title>By: Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,
Great extraction you make on both Zend and symfony...comparing the two is a little bit like comparing apples and pear&#039;s as you state as well, as the filosofy is different for both: Zend being more the toolkit of losely coupled classes and symfony a framework with coupled classes with a strong structure with a clear goal: fast web-development.

Three additional comments and suggestion from my side:
1. As symfony has a clear structure (model-view-control, directory structure) I think it has advantages when working in groups on the same project: things are easy to find.

2. Symfony has a clear structure, and as an experienced developer you can &#039;tweak&#039; it or leave complete things out. In Symfony 1.1 you can even take every single class (like Zend) or take the &#039;glueth&#039; version, that comes again very close to symfony.

3. Using symfony, you can easily deploy Zend classes in your symfony. So you can use best of both worlds. With symfony 1.1 this goes also the other way around (e.g. using Zend classes within symfony, or vice versa using e.g. the excellent new symfony forms framework in Zend).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,<br />
Great extraction you make on both Zend and symfony&#8230;comparing the two is a little bit like comparing apples and pear&#8217;s as you state as well, as the filosofy is different for both: Zend being more the toolkit of losely coupled classes and symfony a framework with coupled classes with a strong structure with a clear goal: fast web-development.</p>
<p>Three additional comments and suggestion from my side:<br />
1. As symfony has a clear structure (model-view-control, directory structure) I think it has advantages when working in groups on the same project: things are easy to find.</p>
<p>2. Symfony has a clear structure, and as an experienced developer you can &#8216;tweak&#8217; it or leave complete things out. In Symfony 1.1 you can even take every single class (like Zend) or take the &#8216;glueth&#8217; version, that comes again very close to symfony.</p>
<p>3. Using symfony, you can easily deploy Zend classes in your symfony. So you can use best of both worlds. With symfony 1.1 this goes also the other way around (e.g. using Zend classes within symfony, or vice versa using e.g. the excellent new symfony forms framework in Zend).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s my aim.  My next post in the present series will be about the Kohana framework (once I&#039;ve had time to make use of it), but I&#039;ll revisit Symfony 1.1 soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s my aim.  My next post in the present series will be about the Kohana framework (once I&#8217;ve had time to make use of it), but I&#8217;ll revisit Symfony 1.1 soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Sinclair</title>
		<link>http://www.paulrouke.co.uk/2008/07/10/php-framework-comparison-symfony/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t address it here, but my understanding is that Symfony&#039;s architecture has been substantially revamped in 1.1 to reflect a more loosely coupled approach. I personally believe this is a great direction for a great framework. Can you do a follow-up post once you&#039;ve spent some time with 1.1?

,Wil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t address it here, but my understanding is that Symfony&#8217;s architecture has been substantially revamped in 1.1 to reflect a more loosely coupled approach. I personally believe this is a great direction for a great framework. Can you do a follow-up post once you&#8217;ve spent some time with 1.1?</p>
<p>,Wil</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly a substantial comment!  Care to expand on it?</description>
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		<title>By: The pin's</title>
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		<dc:creator>The pin's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zaninotto is lame, forget him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaninotto is lame, forget him.</p>
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